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Идентификация Архата
« : 01 Июнь 2009 12:49 »

Ситуация: говорят, что (условно) Аджан такой-то - Архат. А каковы критерии, по которым можно четко убедиться, что так и есть?
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Re: Идентификация Архата
« Ответ #1 : 01 Июнь 2009 14:54 »

Ситуация: говорят, что (условно) Аджан такой-то - Архат. А каковы критерии, по которым можно четко убедиться, что так и есть?

Как говорится в суттах, Арахант - это тот, кто довел до полного развития нравственность, сосредоточение и мудрость.

Соответственно нужно знать, что такое развитые нравственность, сосредоточение и мудрость:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an10/an10.176.than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.073.than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.094.than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an05/an05.139.than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an05/an05.140.than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an08/an08.013.than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an06/an06.055.than.html

Знать способы их определения:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.192.than.html

и самому обладать соответствующими качествами:

"Your majesty, as a layman enjoying sensuality; living crowded with wives and children; using Kasi fabrics and sandalwood; wearing garlands, scents, and creams; handling gold and silver, it is hard for you to know whether these are arahants or on the path to arahantship.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.6.02.than.html

"Could a person of no integrity know of a person of integrity: 'This is a person of integrity'?"

"No, lord."

"Good, monks. It's impossible, there's no way, that a person of no integrity would know of a person of integrity: 'This is a person of integrity.'

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.110.than.html

Поэтому в таких вопросах обычно полагаются на мнение умудренных людей.

Если вопрос не актуален для дальнейшего продвижения в практике здесь и сейчас, а исходит от отвлеченного любопытства, то может быть лучше воздержаться от окончательного суждения, признавшись, что для принятия решения тут недостаточно сведений. Для практики важен вопрос, чему и у кого можно научиться.
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Re: Идентификация Архата
« Ответ #2 : 01 Июнь 2009 20:11 »

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Re: Идентификация Архата
« Ответ #3 : 02 Июнь 2009 07:11 »

А person of integrity может иденцифицировать достоверно другого такого же?
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Re: Идентификация Архата
« Ответ #4 : 02 Июнь 2009 09:26 »

А person of integrity может иденцифицировать достоверно другого такого же?

Да, если знает, по каким признакам и какими способами это определять.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.110.than.html

"Could a person of integrity know of a person of integrity: 'This is a person of integrity'?"

"Yes, lord."

"Good, monks. It is possible that a person of integrity would know of a person of integrity: 'This is a person of integrity.'

"A person of integrity is endowed with qualities of integrity; he is a person of integrity in his friendship, in the way he wills, the way he gives advice, the way he speaks, the way he acts, the views he holds, & the way he gives a gift.

"And how is a person of integrity endowed with qualities of integrity? There is the case where a person of integrity is endowed with conviction, conscience, concern; he is learned, with aroused persistence, unmuddled mindfulness, & good discernment. This is how a person of integrity is endowed with qualities of integrity."

"And how is a person of integrity a person of integrity in his friendship? There is the case where a person of integrity has, as his friends & companions, those priests & contemplatives who are endowed with conviction, conscience, concern; who are learned, with aroused persistence, unmuddled mindfulness, & good discernment. This is how a person of integrity is a person of integrity in his friendship.

"And how is a person of integrity a person of integrity in the way he wills? There is the case where a person of integrity wills neither for his own affliction, nor for the affliction of others, nor for the affliction of both. This is how a person of integrity is a person of integrity in the way he wills.

"And how is a person of integrity a person of integrity in the way he gives advice? There is the case where a person of integrity gives advice neither for his own affliction, nor for the affliction of others, nor for the affliction of both. This is how a person of integrity is a person of integrity in the way he gives advice.

"And how is a person of integrity a person of integrity in the way he speaks? There is the case where a person of integrity is one who refrains from lies, refrains from divisive tale-bearing, refrains from harsh speech, refrains from idle chatter. This is how a person of integrity is a person of integrity in the way he speaks.

"And how is a person of integrity a person of integrity in the way he acts? There is the case where a person of integrity is one who refrains from taking life, refrains from stealing, refrains from illicit sex. This is how a person of integrity is a person of integrity in the way he acts.

"And how is a person of integrity a person of integrity in the views he holds? There is the case where a person of integrity is one who holds a view like this: 'There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are priests & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is how a person of integrity is a person of integrity in the views he holds.

"And how is a person of integrity a person of integrity in the way he gives a gift? There is the case where a person of integrity gives a gift attentively, with his own hand, respectfully, not as if throwing it away, with the view that something will come of it. This is how a person of integrity is a person of integrity in the way he gives a gift.

"This person of integrity — thus endowed with qualities of integrity; a person of integrity in his friendship, in the way he wills, the way he gives advice, the way he speaks, the way he acts, the views he holds, & the way he gives a gift — on the break-up of the body, after death, reappears in the destination of people of integrity. And what is the destination of people of integrity? Greatness among devas or among human beings."

That is what the Blessed One said. Gratified, the monks delighted in the Blessed One's words.

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